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Picks depending of enemy comp

Post by Wolfram on Thu 10 Dec - 14:07

I created this topic so everyone can know what others tend to pick according to what we have in front of us.
In my case I mostly look at the botlane but if two or three champs share the same characteristics maybe I will chose something against them.

Blitzcrank: if they have a squishy Supp like Nami, Sona or Soraka

Morgana: Against predictable CC/magic damage (Nami, Soraka, Tahm Kench, Thresh, Zilean...)

Poppy: if the Supp has at least one dash (Braum, Lee Sin, Nautilus, Thresh, Shen) or the ADC (Caitlyn, Graves, Kalista, Kindred, Lucian, Quinn, Tristana, Vayne)

Taric: if they really have a lot of AD and mobility, but I don't think you will let me pick him so yeah

Thresh: it's my default choice, unless if they have either Morgana or Sivir

Sona: if we don't need a tank, I will probably take it against champions with high mobility because they can't dodge my Q spell

Soraka: if they have a melee Supp and/or not a lot of range

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Post by sqAree on Thu 10 Dec - 17:44

Nice idea! And your choices so far seem to make sense.

So, in most cases (always assuming we don't try a specific combo atm) I will try to pick something that counters my midlane enemy champion.

Lux: My default choice because I'm good with her and she can't fully be countered due to her amazing range. There are a few champs supposed to be an issue: Talon (but until lvl6 it should be fine, and both of us have roaming potential), Fizz (ok, maybe it's possible to counter Lux :S), Yasuo (dashes make dodging spells easy, wall+passive counter poke), Zed (I think he's weak currently tho).

LeBlanc: Against mages that heavily rely on hitting a skillshot (Fizz, Ahri, Vel'Koz etc.).

Syndra: Against mobility/invi (Akali, LeBlanc, Azir etc.).

Orianna: Against Annie.

Swain: Against those annoying ad midlaners (Talon, Yasuo, Zed).

Twisted Fate: Imo this champ is designed to lose his lane, so I will rather pick it for combos, not against specific champs. The key is roaming anyway, so for this the enemy midlaner's choice doesn't really matter (unless it's a hard counter like Fizz, Diana, Yasuo etc.). I pick this for games where our plan is fast ganks / surprise regrouping and similar things.

With other champs I more or less suck, I'll need to train them to have more choices to counter the enemy. In general I need something against Diana (no idea).
Champs I strive at getting better at / starting to play in the near future are: Lulu, Yasuo, Talon, Diana, (maybe Trynda) and a possible Diana-counter.
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Post by sqAree on Fri 11 Dec - 12:17

Yep, in ranked team matches we'll often end up playing not a specific combo but just trying to out-counter the enemy picks. That's why this topic makes sense. I'd like everyone to react here, in a similar way as Milo and I did, and also look at our choices to see if it makes sense, what can be improved etc.

Later we might want to end up having a really precise plan how to react to picks / bans of the enemy. I know it's not a flowchart, and also intuition is important, but the more precise ideas we already have, the more time we can spend in the picklobby on uncommon situations
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Re: Picks depending of enemy comp

Post by Soufflenuit on Fri 11 Dec - 13:20

Alright. Well my turn, then.

caitlyn/jinx : when ennemy adc has short range and mobility/stealth (traps and chompers)

vayne : when ennemy compo includes at least two tanky champions. if there is a long ranged adc against me (jinx/caitlyn), i can hesitate and wait for their team to have a third tank, or a melee midlaner, before picking vayne.

tristana : if they have catch ups, mobility (then i got a jump), or dangerous melee bruiser as jungler or toplaner. (as i have a long range in mid/lategame)

ashe : i don't really play her for now, but i think it could be interesting against fast opponents (rammus, voli, heca, teemo, etc).

corki/lucian/draven : i may chose those picks against a squishy ennemy comp (especially ennemy botlane), because of the huge burst i can get. draven is a bit more risky as his burst consists in AA, so i'll watch out for ennemy composition.

graves : he also has a big burst cap, so i may play him if the ennemy botlane has either short range, either isn't to agressive, or isn't tanky.

kalista : i still feel unconfortable with her, but i think i'll train her, so that at least i can use her for knock up combo.

miss fortune : i don't know in which case i should pick her, because i don't feel like she's a hard counter to anything. so maybe just if we have a comp who match with her ult, or if there is a need of big slow (for ex voli/heca) against the opponents.

sivir : i haven't played her yet, just bought her, but i assume that i will pick her when the opponents have predictable CC (grabs for instance) or if we need mobility to catch up or escape.

quinn : i haven't played her as well, so i don't know how it can be used yet. maybe to counter stealth. i'll probably pick her against twitch, and perhaps shaco/rengar/evelynn/teemo.


I hope I haven't forgotten any adc I own, let me know if you think of one.
What do you think ?
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Re: Picks depending of enemy comp

Post by sqAree on Fri 11 Dec - 13:52

Thanks!

I think Ashe is not as effective against fast opponents as you think. A Heca will still gank the hell our of you regardless of slow and it's a bit sad to use her ult for disengage.

For Miss Fortune, I agree, so she could be a kind of default pick, in a desperate case without clue etc. She doesn't counter anything but in return she isn't really countered either.

For the others I don't have anything to add.
You have Ezreal or Kog'Maw?
You should definitely buy Varus in my opinion.
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Re: Picks depending of enemy comp

Post by Soufflenuit on Fri 11 Dec - 20:44

I knew it would not be so useful, and i didn't mean it this way. but the W has insane range and can massively slow them. i think if you do it on time (not on level 1, ofc) it is enough to prevent a volibear's Qspell, or a teemo. heca and rammus are unstoppable anyway, you're right.

I got ezreal, true, i forgot him. And nope, i haven't got the koggie and varus, they are the only two true ADC i still miss, otherwise i got them all.
and alright, i'll get varus nextly. (as amhok plays him quite a lot, it shouldn't be hard for me to train him)
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Post by sqAree on Sat 12 Dec - 18:40

Well, I'm not so sure Ezreal is viable to play as opposed to other adcs, but yep, for the sake of completeness. ^^
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Re: Picks depending of enemy comp

Post by Soufflenuit on Thu 17 Dec - 23:44

I don't know, his E makes him very op, actually, huge plays possibility. he's one of the very few champ who have a blink, like a second flash, and also the only adc among them (shaco, leblanc, talon, katarina).
He has nice possibilities, but sadly is very squishy and has no CC. Anyway, I mentionned him indeed for the sake of completeness. ^^
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Re: Picks depending of enemy comp

Post by sqAree on Sun 3 Jan - 4:47

Btw, I spammed Diana ingame the past few days and I'm quite confident with her now. Soon we can include her in our ranked games.

EDIT: So, Diana is ok to play, Talon and Lulu as well I think, and I got Swain as a Diana counter. The only champ I seem to not be able to get used to is Yasuo. I play him from time to time and always suck. ._.
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